Sunday, December 27, 2009
Do low interest rates help or hurt?
Low interest rate purchase
Consider a 891 sq. ft, 2 bed / 2 bath condo in South Edmonton suburb of Ellerslie. The asking price is $199,000.
With $19,900 down the initial mortgage balance is $179,100. The mortgage is as follows assuming a 5-year fixed rate of 4.10% and 25 year amortization.
2009 Purchase price: $199,000
Down payment: $19,900
Initial balance: $179,100
Rate: 4.1%
Monthly payments: $951.84
2014 Balance: $156,184
Rent for two years and purchase with higher rates
Compare this to waiting for two years and taking out a 5-year fixed at 7.10% at three different prices. One will be a market crash of 30%, one only 10% and another with zero appreciation. In each of these cases there will be some gain on the down payment and some difference between the cost of renting and owning.
If we expect to use this down payment in 2 years its not going to be put at huge risk. Lets go with 3%. After two years the down payment grows to $21,112
Even with these low interest rates there is a small premium to own. First assume this apartment rents for $1200 including utilities. An owner will need to add $270 for condo fees, $50 for power and $120 taxes. So the monthly savings renting is ($952+$270+$50+$120)-$1200 = $192. After two years that adds up to $4,608. So total down payment is $25,720 after two years in each of the wait cases.
Wait case #1: 30% decrease
After a brutal decline the purchase price of an equivalent condo decreases to $139,930. I am comparing the balance after 3 years to have this case line up in time with the one that bought immediately. The mortgage terms are as follows:
2011 Purchase price: $139,930
Down Payment: $25,720
Initial balance: $114,210
Rate: 7.1%
Monthly payments: $807.01
2014 Balance: $108,578
This case shows that low interest rates are not enough to offset a market crash (duh!). Not even close as both monthly payments for the initial term and final mortgage balance after 5 years have elapsed are lower. Amount lost on difference in monthly payments over three years is $5,213 and the difference in mortgage balance is an additional $47,606. Total lost buying with low interest rates before a 30% crash: $52,819.
Wait case #2: 10% decline
The purchase price of an equivalent condo is $179,100 with the following mortgage terms:
2011 Purchase Price: $179,100
Down Payment: $25,720
Initial balance: $153,380
Rate: 7.1%
Monthly payments: $1083.79
2014 Balance: $145,816
In this case the reduction in payments with low interest rates($4,750) is not enough to offset the higher mortgage balance at the end of the term (-$10,368). Total lost buying with low interest rates before a 10% correction:$5,618.
Wait case #3: No appreciation
The purchase price of an equivalent house remains at $199,000 with the following mortgage terms:
2011 Purchase Price: $199,000
Down Payment: $25,720
Initial Balance: $173,280
Rate: 7.1%
Monthly payment: $1224.40
2014 Balance: $164,735
This case shows in absence of any price decline, the amount low interest rates benefit the original purchaser. The amount save on payments due to low interest rates for the three years the mortgage terms overlap is $9,812 and the balance is $8,551 less. Total gained by buying with low interest rates $18,363.
Low interest rates save the buyers money if we assume no, or only a minor market correction once rates increase.
Sunday, December 20, 2009
Hit Piece
Take a look at this blog exchange from Bob Truman's blog from March 2008, archived here. This is not about Bob, but Mike from the comments.
On bears:
There will always be people who say "homes are unaffordable", or make up a vault of excuses not to try to buy one "they will go down... it's better to rent... I didn't buy at the ""right time"" etc".
On getting into the market (in March 2008):
With 40 year mortgages, and 5% down, you CAN get in, work hard, save hard and that home ownership dream is yours. The ney-sayers will say "40 year mortgage, forget it", "5% down? CMHC fees are too much!!". If you start with a 40 year mortgage remember it doesn't mean you have to wait 40 years to pay it off.Advice to a renter saving up for a down payment:
Buy vs. rentTips. I eat noname Mr. Noodles for lunch daily, my wife makes and packs her lunch daily. We go out to eat 2 times a month but spend $20 on a meal for 2 (Entertainment Guide). Walk or transit all we can. Buy gas at discount stations only. Drive an economical car (Aveo). Use energy eff lights, have the heat set lower, etc. It all adds up. :)
More buy vs rent and price drops:(note the below example is very rough, but its a good "general" example)
EG; Take a $350,000 mortgage, 25 year, fixed at 6%. Payed Monthly.
You take 25 years to pay it off. You'd pay $321,800 in just INTEREST. In 25 years, that $400,000 home would be worth, say, $1.5 million. So you net out $778,200 at the end of the day. That's a good investment, honestly. You made $778,200 TAX FREE baby!
Take the same $350,000 mortgage, 25 year, fixed at 6%. BUT payed Weekly and DOUBLE your payments.
You'd pay $89,514 in just INTEREST. In 8 years (you just chopped off 17 years in payments too). Sell your home for $1.5 million in 25 years (you did live mortgage free 17 years of them too).
You made $1,010,485 TAX FREE baby, Oh ya! Sign me up!
The best part is not only did you pay LESS in total buy paying MORE in payments, you also made $232,285 for your dedication AND lived 17 years with NO MORTGAGE payments.
Response after Radley challenges the assumed appreciation of $400,000 to 1.5 million.For me, If I rent the same home I'm in now, it's $4,000 a month (that's what the smaller home goes for next door to me). And some suggest rent for 36 months then buy... that would be $144,000 in rent. That home is worth $800,000 thus that home would have to lose 18% over 3 years and then you'd "break even" with the renter.
Do I think Calgary RE will go down 18% in 3 years?? Of course not; but even if I said yes, you would still be no better off renting. You could say "your paying 4.6% interest on your mortgage that would make a difference" yup. But on the flip side, I'd wager the rent will easily go up by 4.6% a year too. ($1000 = $1047 next year).
It's about an increase of 5% a year for 27 years. 5% isn't much a year. If your making, say $60,000k a year, and your keeping up with inflation of 5%, then in 27 years, you would be making: $224,000 a year and rent would be: $7,500* a month as well. Although we know that rent increases FASTER than both home appreciation and wages, so expect rent to be $10,000 a month. (*based on $2,000/mo rent today). Wow, think how much a renter would throw away in home equity.Another anecdotal example supposedly representing the market in March 2008.
Well, there is NO information like up-to-the-date accurate, real-life information on what's happening in the market and I can give you some of that now:Great News!
WE SOLD OUR HOME! WOOHOO. :) (privately, no realtor)
We got multiple COMPETING offers, and sold $130,000 ABOVE our asking price, NO conditions. Sold in 6 days plus the multiple offers and contracts, total took about 2 weeks. (TBS official tomorrow)
So, yes Virginia, there are not only buyers out there, but also money to buy too.
Now, we are in the Calgary market to buy again.
Mike
Mike L,
On Mike's site the highest above list price any SFH in Calgary so far in March is 4%. Most under is 18%. Its more likely that the overbid was a result of the initial asking price, if it occured at all.
Yes, it indeed occured (I have no reason or desire to lie) and no my initial asking price wasn't low at all; It was fair market value. In fact, if we only had the inital offer we would have accepted it. As its a private sale it won't show up on the MLS or Bob's stats (although Bob, if I give you the stats can you use them?). It was most definately over 4% list. The important thing was starting at an accurate market price.Another poster Warren posts up even older information regarding this sale
I'm curious about your anecdotal story. Is this the same house you were selling last year? On August 30, 2007, Mike wrote:More from Warren:"Our home was listed for 5 months, we went from $999k to $825k. We took it off because at $825k we couldn't find a 3,200sq/ft dev, inner-core, blue blood neighbourhood, 50x120' lot, reno'd, solid home with views for that price. Our issue (doesn't all homes have at least one?) is that we are on 17th ave SW, unfortunately I can't move the street.
Will we relist? Yes. Lower? Yes. I was thinking $775-799k. Everything is indeed coming down so if I loose a little on my sale I'm betting I can pick up a home right now for less too. Works out in the wash."
Unless I am mistaken, in less than a year you went from a $999,000 list price to (according to yourself) an asking price of $675,000. Isn't that a reduction of 32.4%?
So even with a 19.5% overbid, you still sold it for 2% less than than you were asking last summer and 20% less than you were asking a year ago? Is this a different house, am I getting the story confused?
There is a lot more in the thread. So what? This is old news. Who cares? I think it is useful because this same poster is now using similar misleading anecdotal examples or observations to represent the current market as a bear. As before these examples are inaccurate, insincere or some combination of both.I was going to write this really long review of all the contradictions Mike has made (which year his house was bought; whether it sold for $807,000 or $835,235; his proud claims of a 19.5% overbid after he slashed the asking price 32.4%, etc, etc).
But then I realized it's a waste of my time. RJ laid out excellent rebuttals point and point again to no use. Mike has no concept of the effect of inflation on asset values, or the opportunity cost of money, or the effect of leverage, or any of a dozen other basic principles of finance. Is this why you mock higher education??
Recently Mike has commented on some sales in the Scarboro area in Calgary on the Alberta Bubble Blog.
Wow, look at this, just came up today:Notice how this was taken to represent the market more accurately than CREBs numbers. But he didn't mention the lot subdivision and development which played a role in this sale as DaBull points out.
http://www.realtor.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?prop...
That's a $600k purchase 15 months ago plus new kitchen, flooring, bath and paint, now for sale at $339,900.
Who said RE always went up? And considering Calgary CREB is touting "increasing prices"...right! That's 240k lost there.
I knew the 93 year old who sold that house as they were 2 doors down from my old house.
Mike
If you look at the titles, from the Spin II system, they actually bought 2 lots with houses for a total of $632K in Dec 2007. They subdivided into 3 lots. Sold the one to the left for $340K, are currently selling the one to right for $339K and either keeping or selling the new empty lot they created in the middle. Made their money back and either have a lot which didn’t cost them anything or are going to sell it for a tidy profit. Not everyone is a stupid as you think they are.Another example here
$300,000 loss......
http://www.realtor.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?prop...
Sold for $1m 14 months ago.
Who says Calgary RE is going up?
Mike
I've been in the house many times before as I knew the renters in there. Nice house, built in 2001, but built very cheaply and "feels small" for it's size. Has had nothing but problems (plumbing mostly). The developers bought it for the land but looks like they are ditching their holdings.After pointing out the example it turns out the loss (if it existed) is the result of development and subdivision risk and not representative of the general market.
Horrible to backout on 17th ave from the garage as well.
Just goes to show how easy it is to lose $300,000 on a market that, according to CREB, is going up.
Mike
They were assembling a 3 block stretch of land along 17th Ave SW to build brownstones. I am guessing they ran into land zoning issues that could not be resolved (ie. R1 to R1 or RM-4)Also he has been "monitoring" some neighborhoods in Calgary and noticed some inventory spikes. Link.
17th Ave is not as busy as 14th street and it's the most trendy street in Calgary IMO.
CM asked on Garth’s site, thought I’d post it here to help others as well:
#55 CM “if you’ve seen this marked increase in listings in any other community?”
I follow the true $1m+ communities,
Yes, quite a few like:
Scarboro 10-14 listings, usually 2-4. 500% increase
Eagle Ridge has 4 listings now, they usually only have 1 or 0. A 400% increase.
Bel-aire 4, usually 1 or 2, a 200% increase.
River Park/Elbow Park (south side of river), they have 6, usually 2, 300% increase.
Roxboro, usually 2-3, they have 6. 200% increase.
Mount Royal has 10. Usually 8.
Lakeview Village, 6, usually 3.
Pumphill, 9, usually 4.
Maybe the $1m+ prestige communities are not selling and starters are? Inventory here has never been so high.
Mike F can look into these stats and verify if he likes, I’ve been following these communities closely (almost daily) for 5 years now.
Mike
Bob Truman runs some numbers regarding $million dollar sales. Just like in the past market statistics contradict Mike's examples.
The second biggest loser, our buddy Mike(don't get addicted...) maintains inventory is way up in the below listed communities, and that sales MUST be way down, especially for homes over $1 million. Let's look at the facts.
For the six month period Jun 17 - Dec 16, for the communities of Scarboro, Eagle Ridge, Bel Aire, Altadore/River Park, Elbow Park, Roxboro, Mount Royal, Lakeview Village, Pumphill:
2009
2008
% change
All sales
221
109
+103%
Sales over $1 million
66
41
+61%
New listings
312
376
- 17%
New listings > $1 M
117
154
-24%
.We can't go back a year to see how many active listings there were, but as you can see, new listings are down, and down substantially for homes over $1 million.
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I see from the Live Traffic Feed that a person from the United Kingdom logs in periodically, always around 3 a.m. Do you think it could be our friend Mike? Is he still battling his addiction?
Anyway bull or bear I would not trust anything this guy says.
Saturday, December 12, 2009
Klump on interest rates
“Repeating its concern voiced in October, the Bank reiterated the risk that the strong Canadian dollar poses to economic growth,” said CREA Chief Economist Gregory Klump. “They also opened the door to keeping interest rates on hold longer than expected. Low interest rates are likely to continue to fuel home price increases.”CREA Dec 8, 2009
One thing to note about interest rates is the market impact probably has more to do with the change of rates as opposed to their current level. Keeping rates low will not have the same effect going forward as lowering them. Interest rates do not increase the cost of construction and they only impact the payments during the initial period of the loan. So over the last year we had a reduction in interest rates which helped stoke demand. Another factor contributing to nationwide price appreciation was the change in consumer confidence. Last year when the world was ending it was reflected in falling home values. Now real estate is hot again. This positive change in sentiment will at some point be priced in to the market. Actually, I think the current outlook is too optimistic and going forward it will become more negative.
The current strength of the Canada wide market will not continue much longer (wild guess mid 2010). This is because the contributing factors of increasing consumer confidence and decreasing rates are set to be removed, if not reversed.
Canada wide market
October 2008 $282,583
October 2009 $341,079 +20.7% (weighted average shows 14% increase)
Sunday, December 6, 2009
Quote of the day
“If we have 10-per cent-unemployment, that means 90 per cent of people are employed,” he said. “People are re-entering the market – they have the confidence to take advantage of bargain-basement prices. There's been a release of pent-up demand, and that has a long time to play out. Prices have gone as low as they are going to go.”
Gregory Klump
CREA economist
Canada housing rebound sparks fear of a Bubble
Nov 16, 2009
First consider the scenario where headline unemployment is 20% you could make the case that it's not so bad because 80% of people* are employed. Well if you did you would be wrong because that case is called a depression.
*Actually, if using the headline number it would be 80% of people in the labour force and not include discouraged workers. Also employed would include people who are forced to take part-time positions because they are unable to find full-time work. That is why 8.5 or 10% headline unemployment is really bad.
Next, what bargain-basement prices? Nationally, the Canadian housing market has reached new highs so its simply false to imply that buyers are taking advantage of any serious price discount. I would expect a chief economist to know where prices are.
A final point, while I believe some of the increase in sales this year was the result of pent-up demand I disagree it has a long time to play out. The Canadian housing market was experiencing strong sales into 2008, and achieved high home ownership rates. The downturn in sales started the second half of 2008 until spring 2009. So we had at most one year of below demographic sales from which pent up demand could accumulate, I would expect this to be consumed shortly, if it hasn't been already.
Thursday, December 3, 2009
Street view
Anyway here are some notable places I visited today.
Garner Andrews, a morning DJ of the nearby Sonic radio station always brags to be broadcasting from Edmonton's used hubcap district. Here it is.
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Next is Edmonton's very own giant bat. Some might think I am posting this ironically, but this is not the case. Edmonton is among the greats in the Giants of the Prairies.
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While trying to get a good view of a more conventional landmark I couldn't help but notice this vintage turquoise mystery building.
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Feel free to link to your favorite Edmonton locations in the comments.
Saturday, November 21, 2009
The bubble model
A reckless financial illiterate buying simply for capital appreciation using the loan which allows for the minimum monthly payment.
For example this is from Garth Turners blog about how to tell you are in a housing bubble:
When the number of people taking 35-year amortizations explodes higher. Overall, these loans have doubled as a percentage of all mortgages in two years but that does not tell the true story, since today 5/35 buyers constitute an absolute majority of new originations. Of course, 35-year borrowers pay off virtually no principle for years and years which makes this akin to renting money. No equity means no ability to withstand a market correction.From this mortgage market report 53% of new purchases are for amortizations 25 years or less. 29% are for 35 years or greater.
Another snippet from Garth's same post.
Some observers, bless their good hearts and large stones, had the courage to warn recent buyers with mortgages in the 2-3% range they could be in deep financial trouble before too long. But you know that. The reasons why have been beaten to death on this blog already.To be fair in this case he didn't say that 2-3% variable rate mortgages are the norm. But going back to the mortgage report 5-year fixed mortgages are the most popular.
-73% of mortgages held by 18-34 year olds have terms greater than 4 years.
-71% of mortgages held by 18-34 year olds have fixed rates, 9% combination
Of new mortgages within the last 12 months shorter terms do appear more popular, but not the majority. 56% have terms greater than 4 years.
Of course there are a significant number of mortgages over 30 years at a variable rate and these will most likely cause some amount of turbulence during the next leg down. The model that typical Canadian buyers have been recklessly overbidding $300,000 for a shacks in downtown Toronto or Vancouver using a 35 year VRM makes for good entertainment but does not reflect reality.
Thursday, November 12, 2009
American and Canadian House Prices
Metro Area | Median |
Saginaw-Saginaw Township North | $61,400 |
Youngstown-Warren-Boardman | $70,700 |
Lansing-E.Lansing | $86,600 |
Toledo | $88,300 |
South Bend-Mishawaka | $88,500 |
Decatur | $88,500 |
Canton-Massillon | $89,300 |
El Paso | $94,500 |
Grand Rapids | $97,100 |
Cape Coral-Fort Myers | $98,000 |
Ft. Wayne | $102,500 |
Ocala | $102,700 |
Erie | $102,800 |
Akron | $107,200 |
Rockford | $108,700 |
Palm Bay-Melbourne-Titusville | $109,500 |
Topeka | $111,100 |
Dayton | $111,600 |
Springfield | $113,800 |
Binghamton | $114,200 |
Springfield | $114,400 |
Davenport-Moline-Rock Island | $115,600 |
Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor | $115,800 |
Waterloo/Cedar Falls | $118,200 |
Buffalo-Niagara Falls | $119,700 |
Indianapolis | $120,200 |
Wichita | $120,400 |
Florence | $121,300 |
Rochester | $121,500 |
Cumberland | $122,100 |
Amarillo | $122,500 |
Appleton | $123,500 |
Chattanooga | $124,100 |
Pittsburgh | $124,600 |
Syracuse | $125,200 |
Peoria | $125,200 |
Gary-Hammond | $126,600 |
Deltona-Daytona Beach-Ormond Beach | $126,700 |
Spartanburg | $127,200 |
Mobile | $128,300 |
Memphis | $129,300 |
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta | $129,400 |
Greensboro-High Point | $131,700 |
Cincinnati-Middletown | $131,700 |
Charleston-North Charleston | $132,000 |
Tulsa | $132,100 |
Little Rock-N. Little Rock | $132,500 |
Elmira | $132,800 |
Beaumont-Port Arthur | $133,600 |
Kankakee-Bradley | $133,600 |
Lincoln | $133,600 |
Montgomery | $134,200 |
Green Bay | $135,300 |
Louisville | $135,600 |
Saint Louis | $136,400 |
Sioux Falls | $137,200 |
Tampa-St.Petersburg-Clearwater | $137,400 |
Omaha | $137,600 |
Corpus Christi | $137,800 |
Gulfport-Biloxi | $138,000 |
Las Vegas-Paradise | $138,500 |
Champaign-Urbana | $140,600 |
Jackson | $141,200 |
Knoxville | $142,000 |
Fargo | $142,100 |
Columbus | $142,600 |
Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale | $142,700 |
Columbia | $144,000 |
Oklahoma City | $144,100 |
Lexington-Fayette | $145,000 |
Jacksonville | $145,700 |
Cedar Rapids | $145,700 |
Tallahassee | $145,900 |
Greenville | $145,900 |
Kansas City | $146,200 |
Columbia | $148,800 |
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington | $150,500 |
Pensacola-Ferry Pass-Brent | $151,700 |
Hagerstown-Martinsburg | $151,900 |
Shreveport-Bossier City | $152,300 |
Glens Falls | $152,400 |
San Antonio | $152,800 |
Birmingham-Hoover | $153,300 |
Boise City-Nampa | $154,700 |
Reading | $156,400 |
Des Moines | $156,600 |
Bismarck | $157,200 |
Bloomington-Normal | $157,200 |
Orlando | $157,900 |
Yakima | $158,400 |
Houston-Baytown-Sugar Land | $160,600 |
NY: Newark-Union | $164,300 |
Baton Rouge | $166,900 |
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario | $168,100 |
Gainesville | $171,800 |
Kennewick-Richland-Pasco | $172,200 |
Tucson | $174,000 |
Spokane | $177,600 |
Salem | $180,400 |
Albuquerque | $183,500 |
Durham | $184,300 |
Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington | $184,800 |
Sarasota-Bradenton-Venice | $185,200 |
Farmington | $186,500 |
Sacramento--Arden-Arcade--Roseville | $186,600 |
Austin-Round Rock | $189,100 |
Reno-Sparks | $192,200 |
Charleston | $195,100 |
Colordo Springs | $195,100 |
Albany-Schenectady-Troy | $195,400 |
Springfield | $195,400 |
Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis | $199,500 |
Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord | $199,600 |
Dover | $200,000 |
Pittsfield | $200,500 |
Portland-South Portland-Biddeford | $202,800 |
Eugene-Springfield | $206,600 |
Kingston | $206,600 |
Raleigh-Cary | $207,900 |
Chicago-Naperville-Joliet | $210,100 |
Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News | $215,000 |
Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach | $217,000 |
Norwich-New London | $217,100 |
Madison | $217,900 |
Salt Lake City | $218,900 |
Atlantic City | $223,000 |
Worcester | $224,100 |
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington | $227,500 |
Denver-Aurora | $229,100 |
Providence-New Bedford-Fall River | $229,700 |
Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton | $230,500 |
Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford | $237,500 |
Manchester-Nashua | $237,600 |
NY: Nassau-Suffolk | $241,300 |
Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton | $244,500 |
Baltimore-Towson | $261,100 |
Trenton-Ewing | $291,200 |
Barnstable Town | $319,700 |
Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue | $321,500 |
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria | $324,700 |
Edmonton Area | $328,043 |
New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner | $343,800 |
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana | $345,600 |
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy | $348,000 |
Boulder | $358,300 |
San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos | $378,100 |
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island | $384,900 |
New York-Wayne-White Plains | $385,400 |
Calgary City | $388,721 |
Nashville-Davidson--Murfreesboro | $389,100 |
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk | $398,200 |
New Haven-Milford | $449,700 |
Anaheim-Santa Ana | $498,800 |
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont | $538,100 |
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara | $566,000 |
Fort McMurray (avg) | $600,970 |
Greater Vancouver (benchmark) | $710,892 |
Kalamazoo-Portage | N/A |
NY: Edison | N/A |
Richmond | N/A |
Danville | N/A |
Detroit-Warren-Livonia | N/A |
Honolulu | N/A |
Canadian dollar @ 0.9481 November 12, 2009
Sources
http://www.rebgv.org/
http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/10/real_estate/latest_home_prices/index.htm
http://www.ereb.com/REALTORSAssociationOfEdmonton.html
http://www.creb.com/
http://www.woodbuffalo.net/AboutCostHouse.html
Sunday, November 8, 2009
Edmonton New Construction
The chart below shows the amount under construction from all types of residential housing. While single family homes have bottomed, apartment condos (shown in orange) continue to decline. I added inventory which has been completed but not absorbed in gray. This does not make up a terribly significant portion, but it is interesting to note that SFH spec homes have been cleared while condos have accumulated.
In general the number of completions should be roughly in line with the number of starts only delayed. We have seen completions exceed starts for quite some time resulting in a decrease in the amount under construction. Right now the 12 month moving average for starts for all residential is 403 while still 795 for completions.
I expect completions to decline going forward contributing less to overall supply.
Saturday, October 31, 2009
Buy vs Rent
First consider this 1716 sqft house in South Edmonton for $374,900
Looking on craigslist for rentals in Edmonton I found the following.
The 1680 sqft house is the closest match. The advertised price is $1500 but after a few months the price increases to $1700.
1680 Square Foot Beautiful house in Edmonton's most popular newly developed community called Ellerslie crossing. The house location is seconds walk from ETS bus stop and kids school buses. Close to all amenities. Its next to South Edmonton Common, Anthony Henday, Calgary Trail and Whitemud. The lake is visible from the bonus room....Starting rent of $1500.00 will increase by $50 on December ($1550), January ($1600), February ($1650) and will get fixed at $1700.00 from March, 2010 onwards.
Comparing full asking price and rent results in a ratio of 220. That is fairly high even though it is from one of the more reasonable priced houses on the MLS (there was only one rental to choose from in the neighboorhood).
Looking at the price vs. rent things are a little closer.
Assuming full asking price, 10% down, 2% CMHC premium, 4% 5-year fixed rate and 25 year am.
$1814/month. $674 of which is principal.
There is a premium here, especially when taxes and maintenance are included. However, after 5 years the balance will be $300,255.
A buyer under these terms will end up paying a moderate premium and pay down some of the principal over 5 years. Meh. Not terribly exciting.
However if a buyer chooses a more risky mortgage a more interesting comparison appears.
Full asking price, 10% down, 2.4% CMHC premium, 2.25% variable and 35-year amortization.
$1192/month. $543 is principal (the first month, at least)
So for $1192/month + taxes + maintenance a buyer can move out of an apartment into a house and become a homeowner. The problem of course is not considering the interest costs for the entire duration of the loan and the effect of this stimulus on the asset price itself. Is this a bubble? Are current buyers the greater fools by recklessly overpaying for houses due to blind faith in future appreciation? Not entirely. Buyers may be incorrectly assessing the risk of future financing costs and not accounting for the asset inflation caused by low rates. This is a more subtle mispricing as opposed to a bubble and due to this I expect a less dramatic unwinding.
The type of financing above is an artificial boost to the housing market. What about the rental market? Low interest rates and creative loans reduce demand for rentals as the monthly payments attract people towards becoming homeowners. While rents have been falling partially due to the weak economy, I think another reason is from these financing terms. If/when these financing terms become less attractive the rental market may gain strength.
But its Halloween so we have to consider we may be in a deflationary depression where everything is toast.
Friday, October 23, 2009
Policy advice for Mr. Carney
Today you made the following statements regarding the Canadian housing market:
"We expect prudence from lenders," he said. "We expect, and we have confidence in, prudence from Canadians. We remind people that borrowing is for the period you are going to borrow, not just for the moment you take out the loan."
That is a concise statement and echoes what many people have been saying for some time. However this appears to be a case of CYA so in 2011 you can say "hey, look! I told people to be prudent", while still allowing the heightened demand for housing contribute to precious green shoots.
You don't need to remind borrowers of anything. All that needs to be done is for CMHC to require qualifying income to be set for more normal interest rates. If CMHC ensured that borrowers could handle more normal rates that would limit the downside if/when rates increase. For example it would be more reasonable if CMHC required a qualifying rate of 6% to insure these mortgages.
Obviously people are qualifying and depending on super low interest rates. This has been going on for awhile. Consider the quote from the July 2nd article First time buyer like low rates:
Ouch.What really helped? The 2.75-percent interest rate they were offered. It ultimately allowed them to move from a $1,800-a-month apartment into their own home.
“But we don’t have a lot of [wiggle] room,” Morettie said. “We can go up to four percent, but then we’re done.”
craigslist rental sample
Consider this selection of craigslist rental ads for $1250.
Edmonton
$1250 / 2br - Apartment For Rent at RentersOnline.com
Two -2- Bedroom, apartment condo , approx 900 sq ft with a nice sized west facing balcony in a 3 yr old west end elevatored building is available immediately. The suite comes complete with fridge, stove, dishwasher, washer and dryer.
The suite also features underground parking.
The unit is on the top floor so there will be no noise from above.
Heat and Water are included in the rent.
The master suite has a walk in closet and full 4 pce bathroom. The second bedroom has a large closet with sliding mirror doors. The second bathroom is next to the second bedroom and is a full 4 pce bathroom and also houses the upright washer and dryer.
The suite also has a full storage room and linen/storage closet.
The kitchen, with ample counter and cupboard space, is open onto the living/dining room and comes with an island.
The suite is located in an area that is close to schools, YMCA, parks, shopping, dining,transit , just south of the Whitemud and just west of 170 st.
Lease duration is negotiable but preference is given to a 1 yr lease.
Calgary
$1250 / 2br - Stylish 2 Bedroom Upper Suite in Killarney (Killarney / Inner City)
Beautiful and bright 2 bedroom upper suite in the desirable inner-city community of Killarney. Minutes from Downtown, Marda Loop and Mount Royal College. Located on a quiet tree lined street conveniently nestled just several blocks from 26th Avenue and 17th Avenue transit corridors. Close to Westbrook and Westhills shopping centres; Killarney pool; parks, and University of Calgary with easy access to Crowchild Trail and Glenmore Trail.
Crisp, clean, open concept suite with laminate and tile flooring and a brand new renovated bathroom. Features a private balcony, high ceilings and in-suite laundry. Street parking (a two car insulated garage is also available).
No smoking or pets. Please call for more information and to schedule a showing of this beautiful suite!
Phoenix (Mesa)
$1250 / 3br - 2Ba-Single Story-2160 SqFt-3 Car Garage-Inc Gardener (Mesa)
This is a Spacious near new 2160 SqFt 3br 2ba single story home. 3 car garage with electric garage door opener. Beautiful earthtone carpet, and tile through out. Large master bedroom with sitting area and a hugh walk-in closet, garden tub, and separate shower. Raised vanities, ceiling fans, separate laundry room and Faux wood binds throughout. Upgraded kitchen cabinets, gas range and microwave. Grass landscape in rear with rock landscape in front all irrigated by electric timer. 1 mile South of 60 Freeway close to schools and shopping. More pics and floor plan on request.
- cats are OK - purrr
- dogs are OK - wooof
Saturday, October 17, 2009
Right question. Wrong answer.
Mike from the Albert Bubble blog commented on this mortgage calculator from President's Choice Financial.
How much can I afford?
I was shocked at the vast sums of money one could qualify for based on a 35 year amortization and a 2.25% VRM. Consider 3 cases:
Case 1
Individual
Income: $66,000
Down: $20,000
Debt payments: $0
Taxes: $2200
Heating: $75
Pre-qualified for a $391,970 mortgage! It was limited *not* by the income, but by requiring a 5% down payment.
Case 2
Couple
Income: $120,000
Down: $80,000
Debt payments: $100/month credit card
Taxes: $4000
Heating: $180
Pre-qualified for a $711,371 mortgage! The reason one can get qualified for so much money is it uses a rate of 3.64%.
Case 3
Professional Couple
Income: $170,000
Down: $80,000
Debt payments: $100/month credit card +
Debt payments: $300/month auto loan
Taxes: $4000
Heating: $180
Pre-qualified for a $ 1,058,721.73 mortgage!
Right question. Wrong answer.
3x income is probably a more reasonable measure and allows for more normal interest rates and some discretionary income.
Saturday, April 4, 2009
Notice a Pattern?
Edmonton, April 2, 2009: The average* price of single family homes in the Edmonton area has hovered around the $350,000 mark for the first quarter of this year [Average price of a single family home in 2008 increased from 379,567 to 387,632 January to March], reported the REALTORS® Association of Edmonton. At the beginning of January the average price for a SFD was $351,870. The price varied slightly and at the end of March the average SFD price was $349,716, up 0.7% from the previous month [decrease of 9.8% YOY]. Condo prices were a little more volatile but popped up 1.6% in March to $230,469, after a 5% drop in February. The average price of a duplex/rowhouse was $276,776.
“With price stability, low interest rates, spring weather and pent-up demand; it appears that REALTORS® are starting to get busy again,” said Charlie Ponde, president of the REALTORS® Association of Edmonton. “Our offices are reporting an increase in buyer interest. Sales in March were up 28% from the previous month.” [down 11.4% YOY]
Residential sales through the Multiple Listing Service® in March totalled 1,380 units. Total MLS® sales (including commercial and rural sales) were 1,513 units. This is a 30% increase over the previous month. [down 11.5% YOY] Total residential sales for the first quarter were 3,185 units and total MLS® sales were 3,471 with a YTD value of $1.1 billion.
There were 2,891 residential listings in March (down 31.7% from last March) [up 9.0% from February] resulting in a month end inventory of 7,476 residential properties (down from 9,464 in March 2008) [up from 7076 in February]. The sales-to-listing ratio was 48% and average days-on-market was 56 days (down five from February) [up 5 over last March].
“The market is once again operating in a normal fashion with typical seasonal fluctuations,” said Ponde. “REALTORS® are prepared with daily statistics and market knowledge to help clients understand the market fluctuations and advise them on pricing and marketing strategies that help buy and sell homes and commercial properties.”
REALTORS® (who are all members of the REALTORS® Association of Edmonton) have just completed their annual membership renewal. Some members choose renewal time to withdraw or retire from the industry so membership numbers dip slightly at the end of March. So far the renewals are typical and the Association expects that the more stable market will encourage most REALTORS® to remain in the industry.
Saturday, March 28, 2009
Dare to Compare
- Canadian dollar went down considerably making Canadian real estate less expensive (to Americans). Last time I did this there was no need to convert currencies.
- Many US cities experienced brutal declines. Note that American cities are from Q4 2008, Calgary and Edmonton are from February 2009.
- Alberta prices fell but less than many U.S. cities when looking at local currency.
- Some US cities literally fell off the charts. For instance Detroit, where average price $13,638. I am sure sales mix has an impact on this number, possibly why it was not included on CNN.
Edmonton prices from EREB
Calgary Prices from Mike Fotiou
Fort McMurray Prices
Currency converter
Metro Area | State | Median home price ▲ | % change YOY |
Tulsa | OK | N/A | N/A |
Nashville-Davidson-... | TN | N/A | N/A |
Kalamazoo-Portage | MI | N/A | N/A |
Detroit-Warren-Livonia | MI | N/A | N/A |
Danville | IL | N/A | N/A |
Saginaw | MI | $43,900 | -41.4% |
Youngstown-Warren-B... | OH-PA | $61,700 | -0.2% |
Toledo | OH | $75,600 | -27.3% |
Decatur | IL | $79,300 | 5.9% |
Lansing-E.Lansing | MI | $80,000 | -27.0% |
Canton-Massillon | OH | $80,400 | -18.0% |
Grand Rapids | MI | $80,500 | -35.2% |
South Bend-Mishawaka | IN | $80,800 | -6.4% |
Elmira | NY | $80,900 | -0.4% |
Akron | OH | $86,100 | -21.1% |
Dayton | OH | $87,800 | -17.6% |
Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor | OH | $88,300 | -25.5% |
Ft. Wayne | IN | $88,600 | -2.5% |
Erie | PA | $95,200 | -3.4% |
Springfield | IL | $96,700 | -11.0% |
Cumberland | MD-WV | $96,900 | -16.9% |
Davenport-Moline-R... | IA-IL | $98,400 | -3.6% |
Memphis | TN-MS-AR | $100,200 | -19.4% |
Indianapolis | IN | $100,200 | -12.1% |
Topeka | KS | $104,800 | -6.7% |
Waterloo/Cedar Falls | IA | $105,200 | -8.8% |
Binghamton | NY | $105,800 | -3.7% |
Buffalo-Niagara Falls | NY | $106,200 | 0.8% |
Pittsburgh | PA | $109,100 | -6.7% |
Cape Coral-Fort Myers | FL | $110,900 | -50.8% |
Rockford | IL | $111,500 | -1.5% |
Rochester | NY | $112,500 | -6.9% |
Saint Louis | MO-IL | $113,700 | -14.8% |
Syracuse | NY | $114,100 | -9.7% |
Gary-Hammond | IN | $115,100 | -7.6% |
Cincinnati-Middletown | OH-KY-IN | $116,000 | -12.4% |
Springfield | MO | $117,100 | -3.0% |
Peoria | IL | $117,200 | -1.1% |
Wichita | KS | $118,200 | 3.9% |
Florence | SC | $119,100 | 1.9% |
Spartanburg | SC | $120,800 | -0.8% |
Ocala | FL | $121,700 | -21.5% |
Amarillo | TX | $122,600 | 2.0% |
Palm Bay-Melbourne-Titusville | FL | $123,600 | -18.3% |
Chattanooga | TN-GA | $123,800 | 1.8% |
Louisville | KY-IN | $124,000 | -6.8% |
Oklahoma City | OK | $124,200 | -7.9% |
Charleston | WV | $124,800 | 1.5% |
Mobile | AL | $125,000 | -9.0% |
Little Rock-N. Little Rock | AR | $125,200 | -1.8% |
Kankakee-Bradley | IL | $125,600 | 1.0% |
Montgomery | AL | $126,300 | -11.9% |
Columbus | OH | $126,500 | -7.8% |
Jackson | MS | $126,600 | 4.7% |
Appleton | WI | $127,600 | -2.5% |
Atlanta-Sandy Springs... | GA | $129,200 | -21.4% |
Gulfport-Biloxi | MS | $129,500 | -13.9% |
Omaha | NE-IA | $129,700 | -4.4% |
Kansas City | MO-KS | $131,000 | -11.6% |
Champaign-Urbana | IL | $132,000 | -8.1% |
Beaumont-Port Arthur | TX | $132,600 | 16.7% |
Lincoln | NE | $133,100 | -3.6% |
Corpus Christi | TX | $134,000 | -2.8% |
Greensboro-High Point | NC | $135,400 | -10.2% |
Birmingham-Hoover | AL | $135,400 | -13.3% |
Cedar Rapids | IA | $136,900 | 1.5% |
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington | TX | $138,000 | -4.8% |
Columbia | MO | $138,100 | -4.2% |
Lexington-Fayette | KY | $138,200 | -3.3% |
Shreveport-Bossier City | LA | $139,200 | 2.8% |
Columbia | SC | $139,200 | -3.9% |
Fargo | ND-MN | $140,100 | -1.1% |
El Paso | TX | $140,700 | 5.3% |
Knoxville | TN | $141,700 | -8.6% |
Houston-Baytown-Sug... | TX | $142,100 | -5.5% |
Sioux Falls | SD | $142,400 | Unch |
San Antonio | TX | $143,400 | -5.5% |
Deltona-Daytona Beach-Or... | FL | $143,600 | -20.7% |
Yakima | WA | $145,900 | -14.4% |
Green Bay | WI | $146,600 | -1.5% |
Greenville | SC | $146,900 | -5.5% |
Glens Falls | NY | $147,600 | -9.9% |
Des Moines | IA | $149,700 | -1.9% |
Tallahassee | FL | $150,100 | -17.0% |
Tampa-St.Petersburg-Clearwater | FL | $151,500 | -24.9% |
Pensacola-Ferry Pass-Brent | FL | $151,700 | -3.0% |
New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner | LA | $154,900 | -2.1% |
Reading | PA | $155,100 | 1.0% |
Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale | AZ | $155,900 | -35.5% |
Baton Rouge | LA | $156,400 | -7.8% |
Bloomington-Normal | IL | $159,300 | 9.6% |
Jacksonville | FL | $160,700 | -9.5% |
Bismarck | ND | $164,300 | 6.0% |
Durham | NC | $165,600 | -7.0% |
Kennewick-Richland-Pasco | WA | $165,900 | -3.8% |
Boise City-Nampa | ID | $168,800 | -14.7% |
Hagerstown-Martinsburg | MD-WV | $171,400 | -10.8% |
Gainesville | FL | $174,000 | -11.5% |
Orlando | FL | $175,200 | -27.1% |
Sarasota-Bradenton-Venice | FL | $178,100 | -35.0% |
Las Vegas-Paradise | NV | $181,700 | -33.6% |
Albuquerque | NM | $183,700 | -6.2% |
Austin-Round Rock | TX | $184,800 | -0.1% |
Farmington | NM | $185,000 | -0.8% |
Tucson | AZ | $185,900 | -21.2% |
Spokane | WA | $185,900 | -4.2% |
Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord | NC-SC | $186,300 | -9.0% |
Springfield | MA | $186,400 | -9.7% |
Colordo Springs | CO | $187,000 | -11.2% |
Sacramento--Arden-Arc... | CA | $187,900 | -36.9% |
Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bl... | MN-WI | $188,600 | -13.2% |
Albany-Schenectady-Troy | NY | $193,100 | -3.6% |
Charleston-North Charleston | SC | $193,800 | -5.2% |
Milwaukee-Wauk... | WI | $194,900 | -11.2% |
Salem | OR | $198,000 | -14.4% |
Richmond | VA | $199,400 | -11.7% |
Denver-Aurora | CO | $200,800 | -12.7% |
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario | CA | $201,300 | -40.8% |
Pittsfield | MA | $206,000 | 1.7% |
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmin... | PA-NJ-DE-MD | $212,500 | -6.3% |
Dover | DE | $212,500 | 6.5% |
Eugene-Springfield | OR | $212,800 | -10.4% |
Portland-South Portland-Bi... | ME | $214,500 | -11.4% |
Worcester | MA | $217,000 | -16.2% |
Chicago-Naperville-Joliet | IL | $217,800 | -16.6% |
Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News | VA-NC | $222,000 | -5.9% |
Norwich-New London | CT | $223,100 | -11.6% |
Kingston | NY | $224,000 | -9.0% |
Providence-New Bedford-... | RI-MA | $224,500 | -17.8% |
Salt Lake City | UT | $225,400 | -1.6% |
Madison | WI | $227,000 | -0.3% |
Atlantic City | NJ | $229,100 | -17.8% |
Raleigh-Cary | NC | $230,900 | -2.0% |
Reno-Sparks | NV | $231,200 | -23.3% |
Hartford-W/E | CT | $233,700 | -9.4% |
Miami-Fort Lauderdale | FL | $234,200 | -32.3% |
Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton | PA-NJ | $238,000 | -3.4% |
Manchester-Nashua | NH | $238,600 | N/A |
New Haven-Milford | CT | $240,400 | -10.6% |
Trenton-Ewing | NJ | $247,800 | -19.2% |
Baltimore-Towson | MD | $260,100 | -5.5% |
Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton | OR-WA | $264,500 | -9.0% |
Edmonton | AB | $270,178 (335KCAD) | -9.4% |
Washington-Arlington-Alex... | DC-VA-MD-WV | $295,100 | -26.2% |
Boulder | CO | $324,400 | -12.6% |
Calgary | AB | $302,438 (375KCAD) | -12.4% |
Barnstable Town | MA | $325,300 | -14.9% |
Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue | WA | $325,900 | -13.7% |
San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos | CA | $332,800 | -36.4% |
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy | MA-NH** | $335,700 | -11.8% |
NY: Edison | NJ | $343,600 | -7.2% |
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana | CA | $354,300 | -31.4% |
NY: Newark-Union | NJ-PA | $373,600 | -14.3% |
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk | CT | $379,700 | -17.5% |
NY: Nassau-Suffolk | NY | $381,300 | -17.4% |
NY-Northern NJ-Long Island | NY-NJ-PA | $390,400 | -14.6% |
NY-Wayne-White Plains | NY-NJ | $458,600 | -11.7% |
Anaheim-Santa Ana | CA | $464,800 | -30.8% |
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont | CA | $487,100 | -37.4% |
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara | CA | $525,000 | -37.7% |
Fort McMurray (avg) | AB | $553,342 ($656KCAD) | 3.6% |
Honolulu | HI | $610,000 | -2.4% |